{
  "id": 35723,
  "title": "Co-organizer participate in this competition?",
  "url": "/competitions/inaturalist-challenge-at-fgvc-2017/discussion/35723",
  "author_name": "yipansansha",
  "post_date": "2017-07-04T08:15:03.094000",
  "votes": 6,
  "comment_count": 4,
  "views": 4,
  "content": "<p>Currently the  1st place competitors are in the official co-organizer list.</p>\n\n<p>As the co-organizer, are they going to compete with us?</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": 198967,
      "postDate": "2017-07-04T08:15:03.093Z",
      "content": "<p>Currently the  1st place competitors are in the official co-organizer list.</p>\n\n<p>As the co-organizer, are they going to compete with us?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Currently the  1st place competitors are in the official co-organizer list.\n\nAs the co-organizer, are they going to compete with us?",
      "votes": 6
    },
    {
      "id": 199286,
      "postDate": "2017-07-05T07:37:35.510Z",
      "content": "<p>No, you are not competing with teams whose members are workshop co-organizers. We will post the final competition results on fgvc.org and this will mirror the final Kaggle leaderboard, but we will mark teams that include workshop co-organizers with asterisks. At the workshop, the latter teams are ineligible to be declared winner, though they may be asked to present their techniques.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "No, you are not competing with teams whose members are workshop co-organizers. We will post the final competition results on fgvc.org and this will mirror the final Kaggle leaderboard, but we will mark teams that include workshop co-organizers with asterisks. At the workshop, the latter teams are ineligible to be declared winner, though they may be asked to present their techniques.",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 199309,
          "postDate": "2017-07-05T08:50:31.523Z",
          "content": "<p>Thanks for the clarification. So, if 'gmv' (a.k.a 'google mountain view'?) is the final top 1, none of us from 2nd - 40th+ can be declared winner, is it correct? </p>\n\n<p>But I feel it is (a little bit) unfair: we only have about 1 month to get to know the data, code for pipeline, experiment on some underpowered machines, while 'gmv' can have multiple months since they have prepared for the dataset, a team of researchers with unlimited TPUs, and they know the test set ground truth. </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for the clarification. So, if 'gmv' (a.k.a 'google mountain view'?) is the final top 1, none of us from 2nd - 40th+ can be declared winner, is it correct? \n\nBut I feel it is (a little bit) unfair: we only have about 1 month to get to know the data, code for pipeline, experiment on some underpowered machines, while 'gmv' can have multiple months since they have prepared for the dataset, a team of researchers with unlimited TPUs, and they know the test set ground truth. ",
          "votes": 3
        },
        {
          "id": 199520,
          "postDate": "2017-07-05T21:01:36.900Z",
          "content": "<p>Yes this seems unfair, if they have access to or any foreknowledge about the test set ground truth.  I hope that Google and this competition's organizers will maintain the integrity and spirit of this competition.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Yes this seems unfair, if they have access to or any foreknowledge about the test set ground truth.  I hope that Google and this competition's organizers will maintain the integrity and spirit of this competition.",
          "votes": 3
        },
        {
          "id": 199721,
          "postDate": "2017-07-06T07:13:38.547Z",
          "content": "<p>To clarify, if 'gmv' takes the top spot on the Kaggle leaderboard, and your team takes spot #2, you would be declared the winner at the workshop and on fgvc.org. Team 'gmv,' however, would still appear on the leaderboard on the workshop website, with an asterisk indicating that the team recused itself from award recognition due to conflict of interest.</p>\n\n<p>I can confirm that 'gmv' has not had additional time with the dataset nor do they have any additional knowledge of the test set. </p>\n\n<p>Good luck!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "To clarify, if 'gmv' takes the top spot on the Kaggle leaderboard, and your team takes spot #2, you would be declared the winner at the workshop and on fgvc.org. Team 'gmv,' however, would still appear on the leaderboard on the workshop website, with an asterisk indicating that the team recused itself from award recognition due to conflict of interest.\n\nI can confirm that 'gmv' has not had additional time with the dataset nor do they have any additional knowledge of the test set. \n\nGood luck!",
          "votes": 3
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 199286,
      "author_name": "Grant Van Horn",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2017-07-05T07:37:35.510000",
      "content": "<p>No, you are not competing with teams whose members are workshop co-organizers. We will post the final competition results on fgvc.org and this will mirror the final Kaggle leaderboard, but we will mark teams that include workshop co-organizers with asterisks. At the workshop, the latter teams are ineligible to be declared winner, though they may be asked to present their techniques.</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 199309,
          "author_name": "phunter",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2017-07-05T08:50:31.523000",
          "content": "<p>Thanks for the clarification. So, if 'gmv' (a.k.a 'google mountain view'?) is the final top 1, none of us from 2nd - 40th+ can be declared winner, is it correct? </p>\n\n<p>But I feel it is (a little bit) unfair: we only have about 1 month to get to know the data, code for pipeline, experiment on some underpowered machines, while 'gmv' can have multiple months since they have prepared for the dataset, a team of researchers with unlimited TPUs, and they know the test set ground truth. </p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 199520,
          "author_name": "Terry",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2017-07-05T21:01:36.900000",
          "content": "<p>Yes this seems unfair, if they have access to or any foreknowledge about the test set ground truth.  I hope that Google and this competition's organizers will maintain the integrity and spirit of this competition.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 199721,
          "author_name": "Grant Van Horn",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2017-07-06T07:13:38.547000",
          "content": "<p>To clarify, if 'gmv' takes the top spot on the Kaggle leaderboard, and your team takes spot #2, you would be declared the winner at the workshop and on fgvc.org. Team 'gmv,' however, would still appear on the leaderboard on the workshop website, with an asterisk indicating that the team recused itself from award recognition due to conflict of interest.</p>\n\n<p>I can confirm that 'gmv' has not had additional time with the dataset nor do they have any additional knowledge of the test set. </p>\n\n<p>Good luck!</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "raw_markdown_by_id": {
    "198967": "Currently the  1st place competitors are in the official co-organizer list.\n\nAs the co-organizer, are they going to compete with us?",
    "199286": "No, you are not competing with teams whose members are workshop co-organizers. We will post the final competition results on fgvc.org and this will mirror the final Kaggle leaderboard, but we will mark teams that include workshop co-organizers with asterisks. At the workshop, the latter teams are ineligible to be declared winner, though they may be asked to present their techniques."
  }
}