{
  "id": 452799,
  "title": "One question about the tile/patch-based approach",
  "url": "/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452799",
  "author_name": "阳光开朗大男孩",
  "post_date": "2023-11-03T14:40:23.072000",
  "votes": 4,
  "comment_count": 4,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>I've noticed that some notebooks based on the tile/patch method seem to use the label of one WSI as the label for tiles/patches that come from the same WSI during the validation phase as well, is this a really reasonable approach? If the tiles/patches chosen for validation do not actually have the ability to represent WSI features, could such a validation process be misleading or introduce noise into the model? I am still very confused after a long time of checking online…</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": 2511234,
      "postDate": "2023-11-03T14:40:23.073Z",
      "content": "<p>I've noticed that some notebooks based on the tile/patch method seem to use the label of one WSI as the label for tiles/patches that come from the same WSI during the validation phase as well, is this a really reasonable approach? If the tiles/patches chosen for validation do not actually have the ability to represent WSI features, could such a validation process be misleading or introduce noise into the model? I am still very confused after a long time of checking online…</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I've noticed that some notebooks based on the tile/patch method seem to use the label of one WSI as the label for tiles/patches that come from the same WSI during the validation phase as well, is this a really reasonable approach? If the tiles/patches chosen for validation do not actually have the ability to represent WSI features, could such a validation process be misleading or introduce noise into the model? I am still very confused after a long time of checking online...",
      "votes": 4
    },
    {
      "id": 2511935,
      "postDate": "2023-11-04T04:39:29.930Z",
      "content": "<p>How many tiles from a single image you have pick in test image data , when submitting notebook. Please  provide me the below details.<br>\n1) no. of tiles for single image    2) batch size   3) image size                     <br>\nfor your model . It will be helpful for me.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "How many tiles from a single image you have pick in test image data , when submitting notebook. Please  provide me the below details.\n1) no. of tiles for single image    2) batch size   3) image size                     \nfor your model . It will be helpful for me.",
      "votes": 2
    },
    {
      "id": 2511799,
      "postDate": "2023-11-04T01:03:38.027Z",
      "content": "<p>Randomly picking tiles and hoping they represent the label is not a good method. But until we get the annotations mentioned in this thread -&gt; <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452360\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452360</a>, I suspect picking proper tiles will be <em>the</em> challenge in this competition.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Randomly picking tiles and hoping they represent the label is not a good method. But until we get the annotations mentioned in this thread -> https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452360, I suspect picking proper tiles will be *the* challenge in this competition.",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2511806,
          "postDate": "2023-11-04T01:27:48.517Z",
          "content": "<p>Yeah, I totally agree with you. Are there any good ideas on tile/patch selection? After all, we don't have tile/patch level labels available so far😂</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Yeah, I totally agree with you. Are there any good ideas on tile/patch selection? After all, we don't have tile/patch level labels available so far😂",
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2518049,
              "postDate": "2023-11-09T02:20:27.187Z",
              "content": "<p>hope it's helpful: <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/451902\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/451902</a></p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "hope it's helpful: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/451902"
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2511935,
      "author_name": "sunil thite",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-11-04T04:39:29.930000",
      "content": "<p>How many tiles from a single image you have pick in test image data , when submitting notebook. Please  provide me the below details.<br>\n1) no. of tiles for single image    2) batch size   3) image size                     <br>\nfor your model . It will be helpful for me.</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2511799,
      "author_name": "David Roberts",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-11-04T01:03:38.027000",
      "content": "<p>Randomly picking tiles and hoping they represent the label is not a good method. But until we get the annotations mentioned in this thread -&gt; <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452360\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452360</a>, I suspect picking proper tiles will be <em>the</em> challenge in this competition.</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2511806,
          "author_name": "阳光开朗大男孩",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-11-04T01:27:48.517000",
          "content": "<p>Yeah, I totally agree with you. Are there any good ideas on tile/patch selection? After all, we don't have tile/patch level labels available so far😂</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2518049,
              "author_name": "Time Master",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-11-09T02:20:27.187000",
              "content": "<p>hope it's helpful: <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/451902\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/451902</a></p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
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    "2511234": "I've noticed that some notebooks based on the tile/patch method seem to use the label of one WSI as the label for tiles/patches that come from the same WSI during the validation phase as well, is this a really reasonable approach? If the tiles/patches chosen for validation do not actually have the ability to represent WSI features, could such a validation process be misleading or introduce noise into the model? I am still very confused after a long time of checking online...",
    "2511935": "How many tiles from a single image you have pick in test image data , when submitting notebook. Please  provide me the below details.\n1) no. of tiles for single image    2) batch size   3) image size                     \nfor your model . It will be helpful for me.",
    "2511799": "Randomly picking tiles and hoping they represent the label is not a good method. But until we get the annotations mentioned in this thread -> https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/UBC-OCEAN/discussion/452360, I suspect picking proper tiles will be *the* challenge in this competition."
  }
}